"My first time wasn't long ago," he says. He'd been smiling then, barely able to believe that he was finally getting to fly into space after a Ha'tak. It had been his first time in space, that mission, but he doesn't think the experience is ever going to lose its thrill for him.

In Kelowna, they'd barely been able to dream of going into space, let alone interstellar travel. And now he's part of the SGC, helping them to design their new generation of ships, however passive that contribution has been.

"That sounds like my home," he says. "We had planes and ships, but anything like this..." He gestures to the windows and shakes his head. "We couldn't have even dreamed of it. This is way beyond anything we had."